Haworth Association of America

(y)DNA Project

Primary Objectives:  Where did George come from; who are his ancestors?

Secondary Objective: Tie family lines together

What We Know:  We are so very fortunate to have documented family history.  We know that I, for example,  descend from James Haworth, who was born in 1630, through his son George.  We have the birth certificate of George.

What I Did:  I signed up for the Haworth-Howarth project, Family Tree DNA.

I selected the 67 marker test.  The group rate for the test offers a significant discount.

However, the 37 marker test will clearly indicate if you are in our family group, and the price is cheaper.

Note: The family name of Howarth had earlier been Haworth in England.

In fact, the project director has the family name "Howarth", as does Moe Howarth, who lives here in Washington state.  The DNA results clearly indicate that these two Howarth members tie to our Haworth family line, and at the 67 marker panel test.

 

What I Found:   I am  R1b1b2a1a                (click on thumbnails)

                 

What do the results mean, in the broadest of terms? 

 The R1b migration trail can be seen on the map.      

But unlike the R1b group, which came to Europe from the south west, the R1b1b2 subgroup came north through Germany or Poland.  They occupied the north west coast of Friesia and then moved to the middle and north England.

 

Details at the family member level: 

The test results of project  members so far (December 2010), is that 12 can be identified as a single lineage with a common surname ancestor.   The surname ancestor originated in the Rochdale area, with the majority in Lancashire, England. 

13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 19 19 11 11 19 23 16 15 17 17 36 38 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 14 12 11 13 10 11 14 12              
                                                                                                                                                         
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 28 15 16 19 19     11 11 19 23 16 15 17 17 35 37 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 14 12 11 13 10 11 14 12              
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 15 19     11 11 19 23 16 15 17 17 35 38 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 14 12 11 13 10 11 14 12              
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 16     11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 19 19     11 10 19 23 _           13 12                                                                          
R1b1b2 13 23 14 10 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 18 19     11 11 19 23 16 15 17 17 34 39 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 23 20 14 12 11 13 10 11 14 12              
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 19 19     11 11 19 23 16 15 18 17 35 38 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 19 14 12 11 13 10 11 14 12              
                                                                16                                                                                        
R1b1b2a1a4 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 19 19 15 16 11 11 19 23 15 15 17 17 36* 38 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 16 8 12 22 20 14 12 11 13 10 11 14 12 12 11 11 11 8 13 23
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 19 19 15 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 17 17 36* 38 13 12                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                         
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 17 18     11 11 19 23 16 15 17 17 36 38 12 12                                                                          
R1b1b2a1a 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 17 19     11 11 19 22 16 15 17 17 36 38 13 12 11 9 15 16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23 23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 14 12 11 13 10 11 14 12              
                                                                                                                                                         
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 16 17 18     11 11 19 23 15 15 17 17 36 38 14 12                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                         
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 20 29 15 15 17   15   11 11 19 23             13 12                                       12     14               12 11 11 11 8 13 23
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 15 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 20 29 15 15 17   15   11 11 19 23             13 12                                       12     14               12 11 11 11 8 13 23
                                                                                                                                                         
R1b1b2 13 23 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29                                                                                                                                
   

This chart came from the project manager Stephen Howarth's web page, which we referenced.

The first line, above, is the probable results,  and the last line is small marker test that might be a Haworth/Howarth.

Of course, we know from our Haworth family research that George was born in Gambleside, Lancashire England

One interesting test result confirmed what we suspected from our genealogy search;  that this person does not descend from George.  The test confirms that this person comes from a completely different "Haplogroup". (ie. not R1).  He is not a George Haworth descendant.

Future Plans:

We hope to gain more participants, and especially those Haworth-Howarth males who remained in England.  Additional test members will increase the confidence level of our group test results.

We will keep updating this web page, as further information is known.

Ron Haworth, editor.

November, 2010

   

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